potter,are you saying you have fished the schaeffer to carter drift this year?the carter take out has been closed to the public for quite some time now.i personally made that drift 16 times this season.i was on that very same drift on 3/31/01.i saw flags but they were not from this years steelhead redds by no means,possibly salmon.i saw redds on several drifts but not in great numbers.the main reason the nooch gets the pressure is it's 90% marked fish,with this years low waters and the extended tribal netting not a lot of fish made it out alive.the impact will be noticed in future years.several local rivers had good numbers of fish but they were 90% native fish so they did'nt get pressured like the nooch.if its a waste of time to put smolts into a river with a pulp mill on it then the tribal officials sould recognize this as a problem and not net it so heavily,after all what happens when you take and don't give, you end up with nothing and thats the track were all gonna be on soon.why can't the tribes put the effort into the other rivers they net that they do in the lower quinault?it is the biggest put in take out river in the state and tribal members only get a shot at them. OS as for the absent of native fish in the nooch you certainly can't blame that on tribal netting,the river had plenty of marked fish in it to catch.the absence of native fish on the nooch is the result of years of broodstocking.you can't keep killing natives to make hatchery fish forever.the satsop will be the same way in the next 10 years,you can already see it starting,the reason is the marked fish get killed.if they didn't mark the fish and released them it would be a great program. scott