Mike (Finegrain),
The Herring Hat that StorminN mentioned "the full helmet ones that you use a whole herring in, your leader runs right through them, and they have a red plastic pin that goes through the herring's head. You can tune the roll of the herring by where you seat the upper hook and how tight you set the line going to the pin." sound like the Luhr Jensen ones that I was usin except you had to push a toothpick through and break it off.

I'm intrigued by the u-shaped ones and will have to try them after I finish my sentence in california.

Let us know what yer research turns up!

Sincerely,
Roger