I will throw out a suggestion on which way we should push, then you can all pick my ideas apart and we can go from there.

Lets throw the de-listing option out, I don't think it accomplishes what we want.

Break all the production hatcheries out into their own ESU and do not ESA list them. (The question I don't have an answer for yet is if this is legally a possibility.) This preserves our fisheries and maintains the separation between the majority of hatchery and wild fish.

Retain all the current ESA listings on wild fish ESU's.

Add to the wild fish ESU's all "improved hatcheries". I am talking about all wild broodstock hatchery programs with improved hatchery facilities. This would protect those fish the same as the wild fish and allow 4D exceptions to allow harvest of those fish as needed. These facilities will need to be evaluated for efectiveness at both reducing overall mortality and for sucessfull wild spawning. If these hatcheries are successfull at repopulating wild runs, we can look at further improved access to these fish in our fisheries.