Clicked on this thread this early morn to see if anyone found which post or thread all the fuss was about. Nuttin. But you are right Jerry G, if it had been a mistaken impression about my post it would have been deleted if deemed so offensively questionable, so apparently the one in question was deleted. (Please pardon - I was just touchy about past inaccurate accusations behind the scenes about me and some friends). ... About that bobber and herring fishing tech; if I make it up your way late summer to early fall (may be going up with family) I would like to try that out. I'll shoot you an e-mail if I can get away for a few hours on a day you are doing that. Never fished for saltwater salmon that way. Should be a cool bobber down to see! When people do that on the jetties on the Oregon coast the rollers and chop there give the herring action. Do you get enough water chop in Puget waters to give the herring action, or do you have to slowly retrieve it or something? Just curious.