Saw a pic that Rich G left on a post back in late October I think it was of a crome hatchery buck caught with a #4 vibrax with a pink worm threaded on a single siwash. Since then I've put over a dozen silvers and 3 steelhead on the bank with this method (thankx Rich!) I think the trick is to get the worm to lay as flat as possible against the shink of the siwash as to not affect the action of the blade.