I used to think that I was the only one that did not understand or have the answers but what I am learning is that due to politics the right answers are no longer the right answers.

Smalma: Your guidelines begin to address the problems but I have to ride with RR.I just don't trust science to predict and maintain our runs.Who are we to decide what is extra.Especialy when we have nocked our runs down to barely surviving.

The problem lies with the fact that we have to use something to govern our fisheries because to go back to mother nature excludes mans intervention.Man does not work insink with mother nature which man has proven over and over again.

I do believe that backing off and giving mother nature a chance to breath is crucial to her survival.Then we can work on our management to work more closely with her.

Can any body give me a system that the MSH and MSY have worked on?A system that still has wild fish?

Well I am off to HELP some wild brood stock by putting them to sleep and clipping there little addys off...