Forgot this little tidbit of info there is a zipper that I like to fish back home that has a broodstocking program on it and each year the number of reds they count seems to increase from the year before so there is at least one sucess full case out there but they use salmon is this one. I would like to give more details on it but being a zipper and a small one at that I dont want to pull a Dunnington :p