Bluenote, try this one get a nice jar of eggs pautzke or a jar of feeder eggs now pick-up some maline cloth and some Altlas wonder thread and a jar of Powerbait now cut some maline cloth squares about 2 3/4" roll some powerbait into some little balls about the size of your eggs throw in two three powerbait balls with the rest your eggs. put the mixer in the center of the cloth and bring corners and edges together. If youv'e work with wonder thread or youv'e tied spawn bags before forgive me if not read. Atlas thread is kind elastic you don't have to tie any knot just wrap it around about three or four turns and pull tight wrap another two turns and pull and your done. If this sounds like a lot of work, it is but it makes a good bait that stays on your hook many a casts. The proof is in the pudding, let me know how you do p.s you can also use scents, crayfish,fish oils,etc.