My friend lTlcleo maybe see's the issue as being a little deeper than what all of you are discussing....NutnButLips if you have paid attention to his posts over the time he's been here you'd see that. On one hand you(no one intended) gather around the flag of cnr and wild fish while on the other hand we condone continued fishing of any kind(cnr of wild/bonking of brats) due to small hatchery plants on a lot of rivers and streams. The wild runs on these streams continue to decline even though there is no commercial fishing or legal taking of wild fish. Eliminate those two "boogey men" from the equation and we'll have robust wild runs? Maybe or maybe not. Both of us have vast knowledge and experience of some watersheds where there has been no commercial fishing on wild fish or lawful take of wild fish by recreational fishers for some 10 years. The results....wild fish are still declining. The issue is much larger and deeper than ideology or ethics and I've finally come to understand that due to my good friend. It's a simple reality that the wild runs are dying irregardless of what banner we choose to wrap ourselves in. Thanks lTlcleo. Yah Mon=====Drama! Go ahead and burn me at the stake.