Salmo g our dealings with the Wahabbis is not a Bush thing. It has been going on thru alot of US administrations. OIL OIL OIL The title of the thread was chosen with a bit of cynicism as you might have guessed from the stuttered question marks. I do consider the Israelis a Middle East ally. Although they will put their own interests first, as do all nations. I believe the only thing that keeps the Sauds in power is their connections with the US. I think we should use that connection to our advantage by making them see their future without our support. More civil war as the camel jockies over throw the dynasty. Maybe we would be in a better position to sell arms to any and all and let em sort it out. The Russian approach. Then make the winners a good Sicilian offer they cannot refuse.