Well my reference wasn't from the standpoint of snobbery as much as shear mass with regard to hatchery vs. native run. Not all the time but usually on the Skagit when you catch a hatchery fish it will be in the 4lb to 8lb range. Sometimes they'll get around 12lbs but in my experience not that offten. The natives I've caught however, from late January through April seem to average around 12lbs. So given that information it's like the difference between a snot nosed kid and linebacker on pro football team.