I need to crawl out of my cave? I will put every dollar to my name that I am more involved in the fisheries than you could ever imagine being. It's monday morning, gorgeous day out, and I am stuck inside building a fly rod for a guy, so I am going to vent some of my anger. I've been a member of this board since mid 1999. I am not a newcomer, and I've watched this board change right before my very eyes. I know that the WDFW puts out their harvest reports along with their smolt releases every year, is that news to anybody? I am not saying that you can't come fish the same river I am fishing, anyone is more than welcome to fish any body of water on this planet as long as it's legal. It isn't a matter of how smart it is to look at the state's pages, it's the feeling you get when you drive over a bridge and notice a small little pocket up river 100 yds, you go and fish it and by chance you pull a nice hatchery fish for dinner. Catching that fish on a whim is sure a whole hell of a lot more fullfilling than it would be if you read about it on the internet and went to where the biggest number of fish are and managed to pull one out. I've voluntered thousands of hours of my time to bring back fall chinook to the local rivers. You have no idea how hard it is to see a river that used to have a huge run of fall chinook, be depleated and have to bust @$$ year after year just to get a decent run started only to have to WDFW open it up for kings the following year, and then have a slaughter fest. Most rivers in this area are mandatory chinook release, but when the smallest river in the area opens up for chinook, where do you think all these people that read the link you posted above will be fishing for chinook when they are in the area. Are you telling me that you don't have any rivers that you would like to keep to kinda quiet because it's a go-to river that you can go and maybe hook a fish or two, and have a peaceful day out fishing? I know I've got a few that I only fish alone, not because I am greedy, but because it's nice to get out and have a quiet day fishing every now and then. there are 4500 or so people that are members of this board, let alone all the people that just read the posts and never register. That's alot of people that have "easy access" to information that I feel they should have to work for. I don't beleive in things just being handed to you, I feel that you should have to bust @$$ for everything that you have in life. I know for a fact that when you have to work for something in life you appreciate it and respect it alot more than if someone was to just hand it over to you. I began fishing for steelhead with a trout rod and nightcrawlers, I couldn't have boughten a strike from a summer run. Now 5 years later, I feel that I am in the 10% of the fisherman that catch 90% of the fish. But that wasn't handed to me. I didn't have somebody holding my hand and showing me where the fish where located in the state. I went out and explored and had to work to catch my first fish, but when I did, I did it all on my own and that is more rewarding than hooking a dozen fish from a river listed on the WDFW's web page that I read about. I am not here to argue, we're just going to have to agree to disagree on some subjects. All this venting makes me want to get away from this desk and go wet a line. Just my .02