Then there is the whole seperate issue of leader draggin and playing "mouth hockey" with fish. A common occurence in the Midwest. Saw tons of it this weekend. Lot's of rivers with gravel that fish are either coming up on to spawn or passing through. Spot a fish, and whip the water to a froth like herd of flailing sea donkeys. Similar to the crocs in Africa waiting for the wildebeest migration. Had enough of it by Sunday morning and decided to head home. Will post a pic or two as soon as I figure out how to get it done.