what ever could you mean?? how can you not love the indian kids on the skok with their 30# test, pencil lead wrapped on the shank 4/0 trebs, and a perfect 4 step drop and jerk?? i did laugh my ass off when i saw one of them hook themselves when their treb came flying back at them and stuck them real good... it just can't be stopped, all we can do is just don't become one of them or teach this kind of $hit to our kids or newcomers