Fished this morning from 5 to 9 am. No bumps, no bites, nothing. Saw only about 5 smallish kings caught. About 60 to 70 boats between the Slag Pile and the Clay Banks. I was fishing a spatter back hoochie and a Hot Spot off my downrigger. How much leader do you guys generally fish between your hoochie and flasher? I've been told everything from short (27 inches) to long (48 inches). Personally, I seem to do good with about 3 feet. What's been your experience? Also, do you guys always fish your gear right off the bottom? Sometimes I don't. Often I'll be in 120 feet of water and only be down 60 feet. Especially in low light. I often have good results with this set-up. Any comments welcome. Good fishing. Brass