We catch em and use 'em for for bait when trolling for orcas ( see DJfishes2xs' post on orcas). Just use an egg loop with 3" hemp rope to keep 'em on your slaughter house hanging hook and troll the San Juans, cattle point, Vancouver Island, or any where else you see them. Make sure you set the hook and hang on! (make sure you have some bananas on board!)