Thanks guys next time out I will give those spinners a shot. They still have me puzzled, hopefully that will change soon. Fishon grahn, thats cool to hear that you grew up in Door County. The past 5 or so years I have seen qite a few browns in the 20+ range. Saw a 33 caught 2 years ago, and a 30 was caught in July. If you ever come back to Wisconsin shoot my an e-mail, I'll fill you in on whats going on here.