Salmo

No one wants you to quit posting on the board, especially me! Who else can call you a "turkey" and not have you take it as a personal insult or attack?

But sometimes you push people a little bit too far with what you have written! As just a couple examples, you starting out by saying;

That probably was not the best way to get everyone's attention. We have known each other now for over a decade, so we can get on each other pretty hard without offending one another. That's something that a lot of board members on this board do not know or understand.

But calling other members "pathetic wusses " puts a lot of members on the defensive side of this issue. Just because other members have disagreed with you and Smalma agencies point of view; certainly doesn't justify you calling or to insinuate that they are "pathetic wusses.

You also said;
Just because both you and Smalma both work for state or federal fish agencies, and have strong views that represent your own agencies views; that certainly doesn’t mean that the public (the anglers) all have "collective ignorance" views. It's really not the angler's lack of knowledge that is at issue here, it's the fact that many anglers may be disagreeing with the state or federal agencies point of view.

You said;
Just because you or Smalma may have a "degree" in biology or in fish management; that doesn't mean that they are anymore knowledgeable or better informed then a person who has actually had "30 years" of real life experience. In fact, I personally think it's the other way around. I am sure that you will disagree, but we are each entitled to our opinion.

This is probably one of the main reasons why we have so damn many attorneys today! It takes an "attorney" anymore to get the agencies to understand why us "common folks" are not being heard! It's your guy's way or it's no way at all!!

Do you have any documentation that supports this theory, or is this just your personal opinion?

Salmo, you know that is not really true, so why even make such a statement? Did you already forget about the WDFW and Cascade Aqua Fish Farm fiasco? Or why NMFS listed all Lower Columbia "chinook" as threaten, and still allows the entire unmarked run of wild "fall chinook" to be harvested. NMFS listed ALL lower Columbia chinook, (not just spring chinook) so why is NMFS allowing WDFW to stop all "fall chinook" from being allowed to spawn and recover back in their "natural" habitat and spawning grounds in the Cowlitz? I can keep going on if you need a few more "examples" of how well the "agencies" are doing there mandated jobs "according to law and policies that govern them!

In the real world, not everyone can be paid to sit around in meetings all day long and kiss each others butts. How many meetings have both you and I set in on when nothing ever gets accomplished? If a person doesn't have the same "reasoning" as you or I do, does that mean that there criticism is "foolish"?

Can you explain that one a little more clearly for us? Everything thing that I have read in this thread simply talked about a person getting there limit with 2 rods and then quit fishing. So how are you using "2 fish plus 2 fish equal 5 fish" as an example?

Salmo, you know that I have always been right up front with you so I will not change now. So the way I read your last post, it appears to me that you are asking your supporters and followers to jump in ask you not to leave. I may be wrong, but that is how I am reading your last post. No one had asked you to "stop posting" or to leave, so why would you have brought that up? I would have thought that you would simply not reply back to posts like these if you didn't expect to get some heat back from the others who fill differently than you do.
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Smalma
Smalma, agency people never fail to amaze me! Where and how do you think a "proposal" gets started? If proposals can't openly be discussed as they are being done here, how in the devil do you expect any thing to ever get to the proposal stage? This thread as allowed people to see the pro and the cons on using 2 rods, so why are you opposed to letting fishermen debate the merits of this issue? People would much rater debate issues here before they send them off to WDFW to review as a final "proposal". The only problem that I see occurring here is that the agencies are not getting there usual way of "crafting" a proposal into the fashion that that may prefer it to be before such a proposal is officially proposed.

BW

you have stated;

Smalma
I am surprised that you have not yet corrected this misinformation that was given by BW. As a WDFW employee, you should know that WDFW has many different special fund accounts that are set up to be used only for special things, and can not be used for any other purposes other then what it was delegated for. It was my understanding that WDFW kept these accounts separate from their general funds, and that they are NOT deducted from the annual general fund account that they receive each year from the governor.

The money from a 2 rod raffle could easily be set up to be transferred into a special WDFW account without being mandated to go back into the WDFW "general fund" account.

I have never heard where the government has "deducted " any special funds accounts from the WDFW general funds account.

If I am wrong, please tell me where I am wrong!


Cowlitzfisherman