Todd, Thanks for the info. Good advice in any situtation. How do you look for info from the archives. I looking for information on Bantam reels. I don't live in Norcal I live near San Deigo. I don't belong to any organization looking at Caltrout which is doing some good work in my area. Apparently there is a run of Steelhead in a local river. Thought to have died out has discovered to be spawning. Hope springs eternal. I am hoping to move back to Wa in the next couple of years. Done with the Desert

Regards Randall NOrd