Fishing Doc, everybody here is right. Sportsmen did get into those kings big time in the ocean this year, and you have to remember that estimating fish runs is not an exact science, so its best to be conservative in managing fisheries and err on the side of the resource. The non-Indian commercial gillnetters only got a few days on those kings -- commercial trollers got some in the ocean too. I also think it's important to remember that fishing isn't always about killing. We still got to catch those chinook, even if we had to let 'em go. They're better for eating anyway when caught in the ocean. Having said all that, I still think the bank-bound guy and small boaters who can't fish the ocean -- I was in that category for years while young and poor and paying dues -- deserve the chance to take some of those kings. The answer is for the state to mark all hatchery chinook like they do steelhead, coupled with strict rules on releasing wild fish (ie not bringing them into the boat, handling them properly, etc) and strong enforcement. That day may come, when tribal resistance to mass marking is worn down and we get a fish and wildlife director and commission who are fair and pro sportsmen and not pro commercial.