Biglar, Whats all this "we" talk about?? I believe you have 20 posts so far..How many does glowball have? I think we know who the "we's" are!

Alluding to rivers that dont need anymore publicity wont make you many friends here zip
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"I have a fair idea of what to expect from the river, and usually, because I fish it that way, the river gives me approximately what I expect of it. But sooner or later something always comes up to change the set of my ways..."
- Roderick Haig-Brown