DB15: I understand that some environmental groups can get a bit carried away, but I have absolutely no doubt that without them we would still have a Willamette River so polluted it occasionally catches fire, a Lake Washington so polluted no fish life would be possible and clear cuts from Alaska to California.

When you compare their achievements to those of the timber companies, I can't imagine how you can come down on the side of the timber companies. Hatchery fish are NOT the same as wild fish any more than wild turkeys are the same as hatchery turkeys.

Sometimes the lone voice against the many can be right, but this time you are letting your hatred of some environmental groups cloud your vision - unless that is you truly do not care about the fate of wild fish.