Well I guess I will re-consider that option then, from pics I have seen going through a rapids would probably make me crap my pants. Just wanted to try to see if this option would open some doors for me and my freind. But it sounds like there is plenty of bank access so I won't worry too much. Say Hawk, definitely give me a call the Milwaukee is wide open now, might be fishable this weekend, should have a hoard of chrome in it, plus there are plently of winter overs to hassle.