Thanks again, Downriggin, you obviously know the area well, I never fished west of Johnson pt even when I fished here. Then, mooching was the big thing. Now, you have to have downriggers and some knowledge of equipment to go with them. Are there any leader lengths I should be aware of from the flasher to the spoon? ie 36-40" sound about right? Also, I have never used a downrigger, do you clip the release on about 20ft or so from the flasher, or what is the preferred distance? I know, this stuff is basic, but I have no experience with downriggers, and it shows! If you can think of anything else, let me know. Bob.