glad you guys seems to understand, I feel pretty silly about overreacting. I guess alot has to do with me being "a jack of all and a master of none" I move so much that I am always changing my tactics and trying to learn a new form around my military career and its hard. I have just now gotten salmon down to where i can catch them prety reliably in the south sound, and now I am due for orders probably to the east coast (if not iraq) and I will have to either start fresh and learn eastern seaboard saltwater i.e. cobia, mackeral striper etc, or learn to fish the euphrates and quick . either way, as soon as I get a clue there, I am on to another spot, so I new really get to go out knowing that I can comfortably fish this enviroment, so I tend to be a bit defensive when locals who have fished for 10-20 years get mad because I am not as good as they are. anyhow glad you guys are good enough to overlook a hiccup