Easy jackiepoo. "Psyco, complaining"?. Its is kind of ironic that I got the same kind of sickening feeling after reading you reply as I did that day on the river. Meeting up with the other boat at the ramp and attempting to solicite information in private, away from other boats was not only tactful, but I felt greatly improved my chances of striking up a conversation with this guy and mabey being able to add a "to go to" option if my other methods aren't working. I will help you if you are in trouble on the river. I will often pick up your trash if you leave it behind. I am not above sharing some fishing tips with you if you approach me tactfully and don't put me on the spot in front of others. It sounds like I would have received the same answer from you as I did from this premadona. Come on dude, it's the Cowlitz.