I have checked the oregonian,and willie's used section and there are some boats but they are ray's river dory's (wood) and I wanted aluminum.I have had wood and glass and aluminum.The glass boat I had was a hyde and it rowed excellent but it was a low sided boat with raised floors.A couple times on the cow my friend almost fell out with the sleds wake.I'm not into wood,there heavy and it kills you when they get a ding or a scrath and I seem to do a lot of dinging and scratching!As far as willie's show specials,those are plain jane boat's,by the time you add on the fish box and dry storage and the dmv charges your back up to $5000.00.I have seen some good deals on this site so I will keep looking.Thanks for the replies.