I don't think the "best available science" has been used in the past in managing our fisheries. I think the best available lobbyist has won the day too often. This has meant that the commercials and the tribes trump the science time and time again. I did not say that this science comes from WDFW. They ignore their own science too often. Too often they ignore escapement goals like they have for 50 years. What I am saying is that science should shape fisheries policies, not passionate rhetoric. the science has to be accepted by all stake holders including the tribes or we are all just spinning our wheels. All you have to do at the moment is look to Vancouver Island as a model. Wild steelhead release has not saved their runs at all. I'm not even sure what will. I do know that unless all user groups adopt the same policy based on sound science we will fail.