my buddy called at 9:45 sat. night and asked if i wanted to go and fish the derby with him. well, it was to late to get a ticket so i went to the mouth of the puallup instead. at 7:15 i had my 2 kings, 8 & 12, so i called him on the cell and recommended he drop THE setup i gave him down to @# feet! an hour later he calls me back, just leaving desmoines, after weighing in the winner! 30.5 pounds! an hour later he calls back with a 20! i taught him too well! hes out fishing me after only two seasons! congrats to dennis and scott