pmartin, yes that makes sense I will give it a try and also give skyguys a try. I have seen somewhere dont ask where but they were selling the rubber pads as replacements for worn out ones. Seeing as I have probably been in just about every sporting good store in washinton , oregon and british columbia. As I get older my mind doesnt work as well anymore. maybe its not the age but the beer but anyhow I dont remember where I saw them.