I don't really care why people have to throw stones or why people have to try to over compensate to disprove what they really know. I know what I have seen and what I have experienced and most of the fish caught with DN spoons are lined. I wonder how long it took for the locals on the Kenai and Russian rivers to finally admit that they are really lining fish. I won't pass judgement on it, I would just like every one to just admit what they really know. And for you that still hold on to your convictions, let me ask you this. Have you ever fished for river coho in a unpressured river environment? If you have you would have experienced a chase down by a agressive fish. I have yet to see a single person yell from their boat " Did you just see that fish follow my line all the way in?" I do know that these Snohomish coho are the pickiest darn things to swim and the only way to get them is to fish the way we are. Lining! Lets just call a spade a garden tool and stop fooling our selves. Atleast it's made sporting by using light line. No one out there I've seen has been tossing 5/0 trebles wrapped with lead. It's not the worst thing to do. And if you still don't want to admit it try dropping your leader to 12" and see if they strike it? That's my $.02. And yes thru the law of averages ( I'm lost w/o spell check) some of them will really bite.