Art, I don't think we have met, but I've known Bill & Family for a long time. Back in the day we did alot of cross-country hiking/fishing in the Cascades, as well as the NW salt-water fishing for salmon and butt's. Bill is as good as it gets as a person and a T&D Maker, as a golfer, well, he needs some help... :p As a hard-core DB fisherman I'm looking forward to nailing some Feb-March chrome on the plug rods, and later those slam-dancing Sol duc / Hoh Springers will put a real test on the rod-holder/rod/fisherman. If you can talk TRBO into giving them a shot in Alaska this summer that should get everyone on to them. Tell Bill..Brad sez "I really didn't mean to break your foot", hey, we were both riding Montesa's and those spanish bikes don't have great brakes.... ...later C/22