mingo- sorry to say it, but those freckles in your avatar look very familiar...hope that's not your wife/girl....when it comes to silvers and vibrax spinners in a river situation, given normal fall/winter conditions, #4 metallic blue body w/ silver blade is the killer....but for those of us who have them dialed in, you must make your own spinners in a variety of colors and weights, parker has the right idea, he'll get it right sooner or later J/K!!