VHawk, know what you mean about the crowds. I have yet to see very many of the same people fishing these two spots more than two days running. Just not enough success to keep them coming back? I lived up the Newaukum above Onalaska for a few years back in the 60's. Fished it a lot for trout up by Pigeon Springs. Never did see a springer. I honestly think they were planted since then,perhaps wild stock from somewhere else. I have never kept a springer from either river mouth. I was just commenting on the fact that the springers do go up the Chehalis past Rochester.