B-Run, my boys are both pretty small for their age, and when we tried the standard and youth 20g and .410's they were too long for the boys in length of pull. That's when I saw the NEF "Tamer". As-is it was too short, but we added a recoil pad and brought it right to where it needed to be. For $120, it was perfect. I always laughed at these little funky shotguns until I saw Hunter connect yesterday.

The Crickett .22 was even a better fit for both boys, and at 2.5 lbs, it doesn't tire them out.