Thanks for all the input. I will be off to the store today. The little guy is doing well We are working on the house breaking thing. He is real good if we are paying attention. I had forgotten how much work a pup can be. He is allready retrieving a ball or any other toy that he can get his paws on Getting him to let go is a chore at times. Our cat caught a large wood pecker the other day and the dog went compleatly nuts over the carcass. He turned into a raging growling snarling pit bull when I tried to get it away from him. I just about lost my cool. as he bit me and drew blood when I foolishly reached for the thing. I finaley was ableto get it away from him. not much left. I have been throwing whats left of the wing for him and he likes to chase that. A buddy is going duck hunting and he says he will save me a couple duck wings to use. These should get him chasing the right kind of birds. ok bye for now Jay Pea