Oh also on a side note I will probaly get them offically scored cause the minimum for one side drop in the book is 135 and these score 155 4/8 and 154 1/8 and then I'll mount it, a friend has a cape from Colorado I'll put him on. Looking at him again I can only wonder how close you would have been Kid#10 if his thirds would have carried out the same way as the 1st & 2nd?