Krijack, you kinda have a good point on the whole party line use of the outdoors, and I can see the line drawn with my own friends. I also notice the TYPE of sportsmen that those lines mean, I believe that in general liberals seem to see the environment as a "whole" and get the picture of how it actually works. My right wing buddies (and not even all that far right) DONT GET IT! You cannot manage a resource of ANY kind by working just one or two angles, and running them like industrial machines…. you cant in other words run the resource to make a profit from it...seems like an oxymoron though doesn’t it?
-and to a lesser point, about your quotes on taxes, roads, and what not. everyone should remember HOW LONG it takes to build even a 3 lane (2/ 1 turn) road, let alone a freeway. Also remember how much its costs now versus the life of the project...oh and don’t forget that an average population, at our rate of growth will DOUBLE every 7-10 years. You cant keep up with roads like that, SMART communities, Good transit and CONSERVATION are some of the keys of the puzzle. Not saying you are wrong, many points are right but lets take Tacoma for example, do we really need to be punching 500 homes on Pacific Hwy, way out in the middle of BF nowhere? NO, but someone wanted to sell their land to retire and then one thing lead to another and then there are so many people, they need a wall-mart (final nail in coffin) great! (guess who would support those developmental steps)
You know and that is just the type of crap Dino would promote. Its not a pick of people vs. the resource, its our current practices. Small changes add up and will not really change the "posh" lifestyle we are used to.
The thing that really Krispies my critters though can be this board…as well as others, the web is a great way for people that know "just enough to be dangerous" to spew their crap. Sorry to call some of you out but its the few...well maybe some more that like to just point the blame. THERE IS A CYCLE to things children, remember?
Our waters have many problems and are largely the same across the board, the Hood is getting the raw end of the deal because of a DAM, lack of any other real flushing, and a large hump under the bridge doesn’t help either. The damn is the OBVIOUS ONE, oh there are Indians though….so….lets blame them! Lets OVERLOOK the ...literally….hundreds or more "whitey" septics that are leaking and not being fixed. Lets OVERLOOK the overwhelming amounts of nitrogen and/or O2 depriving elements that are being washed down rivers and creeks from current logging practices (need I remind you.. werehouser, Chehalis, storm? Try googling it) and alder run-off, lets also OVERLOOK all the crap we put on our lawns that over-nitrify, eat oxygen, raise temps and rob water from the resource.
While we are at it lets OVERLOOK ocean trawlers, and the commercial industry as a whole right down to the influx of diss-respectful sh&tty-A$$ guides about nowadays.
--SIDE NOTE-- let me just say this resource is not a guarantee, just because your grandpa, and father and cousin and dog or whoever where allowed to rape and pillage on the resource with a "fishing was great, the limit was 3 fish a day 7 days a week. We were the Salmon capital of the world." kinda attitude DOES NOT mean the you are entitled to the same!!
Its that crap like oldfisherman is spewing , lets keep up that line of thinking because I know of at least 4 dams on major rivers around here and last I heard the runs weren’t too good. Pick up a book, hell, read a couple Google pages on it, do SOME sort of research before you throw a lame-ass dull excuse into a real knife fight. you can be old and afraid or intimidated by phones, and games, and technology, but you should NEVER be afraid of learning more, especially about your passions...SO PICK UP A BOOK!
As for the others touting the dino flag of hypocrisy, your probably the later of the examples of my friends....it makes me hurt to hear the crap outta your mouths or keyboards but that’s the game right? the two opposing sides to find the neutral middle...I just wish some people woulda done their homework.
as for my .02. Put it in your pipe and smoke it a$$hats