Yep, I lost 3 fish this year on the take down and beginning of run, two of 'em in one morning, but that's only 3 compared to many, many caught, so I'm sticking to the 40# UG. I use the 11 inch flasher always with hootchies and Ace-Hi's. Measure from the back of the flasher to the top of the Ace-Hi, at least that is how I measure. The set up has now changed a bit on the bottom end. 3/0 Rvfshr Octopus hook on the bottom, 7 green/and or pink beads, 3/0 Rvfshr Siwash hook on top, then 4 beads to the Ace-Hi, then 18" normaly of length of leader from there to the back end of the flasher for coho's, max 22', 22" to 24" for kingers. I hate the Echip models, done better and less dog fish with out it. And I hate trolling slow. 2.7 minimum speed for kingers, 3 minimum for coho, but steep line angle for me. Maybe I'm goofy, but it's been working and I'm sticking to it. We've trolled as fast as 6 mph with the tide to get the line angle and nailed fish.