Originally Posted By: docspud
I love that argument. We are now getting hammered because people hate what we are trying to do so let just force it down their throats. We know whats best.


i think the question is why people hate what they are doing. i think it's because they are pussies who won't stand and fight for what got them elected. the majority of people want health care reform. the compromises and bull that comes from attempting to create a fillibuster proof bill is what created a terrible bill. at least that's how i see it. and it's not about forcing it down people's throats, but forcing a vote on what you campaigned on. if it gets fillibustered, fine... but fight for a better bill with a public option. you stand a better chance of getting re-elected in the fall of 2010 if you have passed legislation that you can run on. also, not being a bunch of pussies helps come election time.

Originally Posted By: docspud
That would be about the dumbest thing ever. Both parties in this country suck and that type of response would likely lead to a R supermajority. That would be just as bad as what we have now.

Quit the Chicago style stuff and actually attempt to govern from where most people in this country are......The center.

And if the R's want to just stand in the way and do nothing......then screw them.


the problem is exactly that they think of polling and not of leading. there will be a republican supermajority if the dems keep governing like pussies. plus, the republicans only need a simple majority because the dems just lay down when they are in the minority. again, dems = pussies.

fyi, the idea of a public option in the health care debate is already "the center". the far left idea is single-payer and the far right idea is "let them eat cake".

"if the R's want to stand in the way and do nothing"?!?!?!? that's exactly what they are doing, which would be political suicide if their opponents took advantage and forced them to fillibuster in favor of the status-quo.

we're both unhappy with the dems, just for different reasons.