Thanks for the info. The book is on my Christmas list, plus I'll write a letter to Santa Claus.

I found out that the guys were catching fish in shallow water and were casting, drifting from 11-1, then slowly retrieving. The water I'm fishing is a bar on a compound corner. There is fast water across and slow water near, and frog water directly below.

I went out last night with my daughter and tossed all three styles. The water seemed too slow for the daredevil style. The 1/2oz steelee has really good thumb and I was hitting bottom the last 1/3 of the drift. The rvrfshr 2/5oz might have been baby bear's porridge. I didn't spend as much time as I wanted with it, my little girl decided to go after some leaves in the river, got wet, so I took her home before she got cold.