I do want make something very clear from my previous post. I support all types of fishing - just ask Carl C or Tom J if I like to catch and release - YES! And I will agree that fly fishing has a higher skill level than tossing bait or trolling (my favorite method). I was speaking from the point of view of a PETA person to illustrate how positons that we think are superior can be twisted given a different point of view. I don't think fish have a memory of pain. Of course none of us will really know unless The Buddha was right and we all come back as fish. In which case you catch and release guys better handle me with respect! And you power baiters better bonk me quick - no tossing me on a stringer to die a slow death please.