Ahemm....As Maury would put it, what about the Liars Gazzette??? I seem to remember a few lines you quoted from it. I use it too sometimes. It found me my new Mack lake as you know, and i am very greatfull for it. BUT i refuse to use exactally what they tell you to use just because i refuse to believe the fish will only bite what they suggest to use. I'm starting to think Barry is the seasoned Vet and you keep learning from him LOL . He sure gets lucky alot. Especially on your steelheading trip. Nice fish guys. oh yeah, what did you get the king on?