I know one is down in the sun but the other one has a dog so he can't go anywhere. It's kind of quiet with out either one around. But I'm still here but I'm just to quiet. And so is Micro Brew,but he's been quiet also. If you don't get out you don't have nothing to say. But I went to the Skagit today and that is just about the only river that is fishable unless you want to include the Sauk.