I agree with rigged, I have as many points as you can get, Since inception and never draw a tag for Elk, My friend has drawn since inception, 2 Olympic tags, Bethal tag, Peaches ridge tag and last year both Teeanneway late bull and a buck tag. Ontop of two of the Timber raffles with little money spent. But should I also mention he spends many hours on Game Volenter work, On different Elk Programs..... Okay I think It's rigged. Or I just have bad luck, I am sitting on 13 points for Oregon also. But only looking for a Wenna bull tag there, So I think It may be awhile.... Maybe in 20 years by the time I'am 67 and Older, Better stay in some form of shape, Hopefully by then I won't consider round a shape, I will be drawn... For now it's off to chase lower Columbia rag horns again..... But they eat good also