Zen, my flies I tye are not the prettiest flies in fact one may wonder what I have at the end of my leader. But all that counts is that they catch fish most of the time. Now on your comment about whats on the end of the line thrashing around? Have you ever seen what a fatblackosodog does when she gets hooked by one of my flies? Soon oh dark one I will be ready to take more lessons. Youre not gonna try to turn me to the other side are you?