yeah, its only about 20 mins from me, so im gonna be out there, tomorrow..i couldnt access the sites, this puter software is all wierded out and wont dl, certain stuff, even tho its only about 5 month old..i usually use salad shrimp and do very well on them, when using a slip bobber..that way i can adjust for the depth of where the fish are at.. if its raining, i will be in a blue rain jacket on the lil dock there at deep lake, i might see if i can find sawyer later on in the day tho..does it have a good koke plant or are they native?