most of the guys that like to bash danner probably owned a pair of their quality boots, wore them out, then bought a pair of POS pronghorns.

the quality is quite good on their USA made stuff, i own a pair of explorers, and a pair of hawk GTX hunting boots. the explorers required a bit of break-in, while the hawks required virtually none right out of the box.

dave, do yourself a favor and pick up a pair of good insoles. the grouse model is just like my explorers(just higher and with the canvas sides), they come with no insoles. putting a pair of felts inside made them feel like they should.