deerslayer, if he has drawn a cow permit 3 years in a row, then he has zero points. When you draw a permit, you lose your points, doesn't matter if it's your first choice, or your last choice.

Something you guys have to think about, and Big Tule talked about this too, but think of the number of people applying for Margaret, and then think how many of those people probably have the max number of points, or close to it. When you look at the numbers (over 4000 applicants,) it becomes obvious that it really doesn't matter how many points you have, your odds of ever drawing the Margaret permit are just about ZERO. It's not the fault of the system, or the WDFW, it's simply mathematics.