I can tell you I hike into an area where you will see nobody and hunt a big stand of timber and alder with a river bottom right below. We have had good success for many years but this year has been really bad. Last year was not great but saw lots of elk. Could have shot a really nice bull if it was legal but we always get our cows. I know its not just me and my buddy because I have a lot of other friends hunting up there and it has been really bad. Sucks to see a good thing come to an end because I really loved our spot.